Heike and Mladen Ocko

Mladen Ocko in his living room. Portland, Oregon

Do you consider yourself an immigrant?

Probably a little bit, but not too much. Because the nice thing in the US is that everyone has come from somewhere and you meet so many people who came here recently. Yes, of course I’m an immigrant, but it’s not too special here. If you come to Germany, that’s a bigger deal — you stand out more.
— Heike